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How do you can't define it? You can't point to where it comes from or what it is. What are we doing here? It actually kind of reminds me of the conversations that have been going on for eons over free will and determinism and the debates around that
J.L. Beasley
@Her_Sisu · 2:00
I love that. I love what you said about how we are coming up with what consciousness is to each one of us as individuals and then comparing and contrasting what it means. And and with that there's an element of judgment and probably a little bit of condemnation as well. And I was listening to your swell and thinking, gosh, what is consciousness?
Georgie Dee
@GeorgieDee · 2:39
And everything's been disproved since it was first proved it still exists. The first law still exists, but the other one doesn't exist in space. Once you leave the planet Earth, it changes. And all these things to do with time and the theory of time, we first come up with a definition, and then we go hundreds of years later, sorry, we were wrong. And it's the same with consciousness. And they talk about matter and energy
Because what is the value in this particular story that either we're modifying or we're creating a new what are we going to do with it? What are we going to use it for? And I love asking difficult questions to explore and to find greater understanding and meaning. But there are times when I think there are questions that we ask or contemplate that are meaningless and a waste of our time. And those drive me nuts
And if we try to lock it in ossify, it sorry, I was going to say my made up word of concretify. It trips us up. And I think this is why it's so beautiful to me. And it's taken me a while to get here in my life, but to hold things loosely in my fingers. And just because this is what I understand of the world today doesn't mean, like you said, it's going to be forever that way
J.L. Beasley
@Her_Sisu · 4:09
I applied your efforts to the cause, and I applied my efforts to the cause, and we're all contributing and giving back in our own ways to help the black community as a whole, but you rarely hear that people will poopoo you down. I'm in a mom's Facebook group for the specific area I am in, and one of the admin of the group, she'll post these like, bait
I get that we're sometimes seeking the dopamine or the serotonin or whatever it is that we're doing, but seriously, I would wish we could elevate ourselves as a human species to be more about finding quality places of finding the things that we need biologically. You know, and I know I'm asking too much, but such a great example
And I know it's a very naive definition because it doesn't answer a lot of the questions that you've raised, but that's the best I can do. And I think as and when computers have situational awareness or some proxy of situational awareness, then we will be able to say that computers are conscious or sentient or whatever fancy word you want to use. Let me know what you think. All right. Bye. Loved as well. Bye
Eluchianna Olive
@Luchianna · 0:11
We should say we're unconsciously aware of what's happening. We're in a state of pre existing notions of what we
Eluchianna Olive
@Luchianna · 1:58
But we don't want to admit that because our mind, our free will won't allow us to grasp that we have no control over the things that we try to control. Consciously chand unconsciously to make us seem better, bigger than what it is. That's how the cycle of life seems to be going. The news reports, what they feel people should be aware of. Consciousness aware, but unconsciously feeding into the BS, the toxic, the drama that ensues with that
And it's not simply perceiving of one's existence, and it's a recognizing chand awareness of all the dimensionality of it, all of how this starling recognizes the one to its left or right or above or behind or whatever, and how one moves in relation to this. And this was this ebb and flow. And there's not necessarily a concrete way of defining or recognizing the murray it doesn't have an exact shape. It's not an exactness to it. It emerges from the interactions, right
And yet we speak about these things in such a finite way. I bump up into this a lot when I like to break boxes and blend and reintegrate ideas. For instance, if we're talking about a tech area, I don't want to look at just the tech. I want to look at the philosophical questions around it
But it's that immediacy of the moment that is consciousness. And I again go back to my example that as in the case of computers, the output is static, but as in the case of artificial intelligence, the output is dynamic and changes from moment to moment. And I just have a fuzzy sense of thinking. I'm not going to pretend like I fully understand it's, so such great minds don't understand it. But it's what I have. It's a fuzzy understanding
But I just I really like this idea of the symphony and the murmurs and tying these into the concept of and I'm completely with you. This is just my fuzzy story I tell myself about consciousness. Now, who knows if I decide to read more on consciousness, if I stop rolling my eyes or learn more if they learn more in science about it or whatever, right
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