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What was argued on the steps of Athens or any other timeline with any particular famous philosophy. But I'm trying to understand this person and their view and how we might discover and explore together. And it was like it was a foreign concept and this wasn't the only time I run up against that. So then I was like, well, how do I communicate what I'm endeavoring to do here?
Aayan Banerjee
@BasTalk · 3:42
As the advent of social media, what's happened is more people want to speak and less people want to hear or actively listen. When you listen less actively, then a lot of it is based on small queues and it could absolutely be opposite to what you're trying to say if they had listened actively to the entire content. It happened to me as well very recently, where one person really appreciated as well but made a counterpoint which is totally away from the content
Then you almost can't or won't listen to anyone else and you just get stuck on even if it's not a debate sometimes people just want to hear themselves speak for whatever reason and then it's not a conversation of exploration. It's just that person speaking. Anyway, I digress. Yeah. Thank you
Lance Watson
@lwatsonjr · 4:25
I definitely have been a part of several different types of discourse related to trying to find a space for philosophical analysis of just different things, different topics, different challenges, different experiences and so on. And one of the things that I've sort of bumped up to and I guess this is sort of my contribution to this post in relationship to the philosophical analysis is the evidence that it is very challenging for emotional displacement to take place, right?
Trevor Hammack
@tjh · 5:00
It may manifest itself in ways that we're not comfortable with or we don't like, but it's there even in your example of talking to someone about creation, the Creator. And they start talking you talk about hydrogen, and this comes together, and they start talking to science of it, and you're kind of going back and forth. You may have felt that philosophy analysis was difficult to get to. I will say philosophical analysis was happening. It was just different philosophical approaches
At least this is my idealized perspective when we're having a conversation. And that in itself is extremely frustrating. And so when I was attempting to jump into the same, let's say, arena or space that they were navigating in, suddenly they squished it into the box of science. And then when I said, no, let's move back to where we were, then they squished it into the other box of philosophical jargon, of, I would say classical philosophy, nix that
Okay, speaking of a phrase I'm going to take and put in my pocket, emotional displacement is like, perfect because I've been trying to have something short and pithy to describe exactly that, and it's something I'm not always good at identifying, either beforehand or sometimes even in the moment. And it's not until the emotional backlash comes and I'm like, oops, I stepped in it because I don't necessarily realize or recognize what didn't happen, that displacement didn't happen
Dewuan .
@FryedOreo · 4:45
I hope they would get the words that I'm using in context, but they don't. There's not much I could do for them. So I will just move on to a different topic, that's all. But this idea in which on a fundamental level that people lance an imagination. Can we say that? To some degree? I don't know if that's what you're getting at or not. To some degree
Not the same with beliefs and opinions. So if you're not willing to justify your beliefs and opinions, if you're not willing to debate her beliefs and opinions, I think you're bullshitting. So, no, philosophy is not dead. It's just that sometimes you come up against warrants and philosophy is alive and kicking. Because anytime you try to understand anything or how something works or how belief came to being, you're using philosophy
Would you call that creation? It's a yes or no question. I would call it a phenomenon. I would not call it a creation. Right. I would call it a scientific phenomenon, naturally occurring phenomenon. And that's it. That's a yes or no answer. But no, it's not creation. It's just naturally occurring phenomenon. And that would have moved the conversation further along
And I say we as in whoever I'm in a conversation with, right? Anyway, yeah, you made me laugh. Noted. Dewuan is more intrigued by topics that have to do with personal experience than any article or book client. Thank you for your reply. It sounded like we were having a conversation the way that you delivered and it was nice. Anyway, hope you're having a good day
All these other factors coming in, not to mention cultural aspects of relating, what it means to be, quote, unquote, strong and being vulnerable, to admit when we're wrong and et cetera, et cetera. Chand so those things are probably getting more in the way than actually having these sorts of conversations. I think that philosophy, or even the method is dead. I think perhaps it's harder to see in circumstances like this when there are all these other factors playing a role
It is people who are self contained and self sufficient, who want to understand things in totality, from all angles, from all dimensions. They want to tease and fry things apart, put them back together and understand them. Philosophy in totality. And I have detected that in your swells, in your general behavior. Trust me, I'm an author, so I do have some idea of what I'm talking about. So you have the tendency to philosophize perhaps because you're self contained and self sufficient
But this is why I'm saying that philosophy cannot die, because the tendency to think independently is hardwired in at least some people. All right? So that's my two cent. The tendency to think independently and figure things out for yourself is hardwired in some people. That's what I think. That's my conjecture. That's my theory. Let me know what you think. Sorry. I'm so sorry
But something that seems to correlate with the different brain wirings but doesn't line up exactly, is the different ways that people take in information and language and communication and then how they communicate it to others
And to have people want to desire to return to a love of knowledge. I say return as if there was a time when everybody had this. But anyway, yeah, you've got me. Smart things to think about. Thank you
So it's so refreshing when you say that you're breaking boxes, blind lines and imagining possibilities. That's such a great tagline. And like I said, it has inspired an entire chapter in my book. My upcoming work in progress, and I will title this chapter Independent Thought and take the rest of the book from there. I did tell you that the main inspiration for this book came from that sports person who made that comment that keep your head in the game
I will say I'm glad you started the other swell. And I put my thoughts I was going to put here. I put them over there
Binati Sheth
@Binati_Sheth · 5:00
I'm not sure what sheth called the video, but it was so nihilistic and yet so positive. Imagine this making nihilism sound positive in a three hour long video. That is philosophy, right? So there are so many creators of this sort. The only thing I have seen is philosophy has changed medium. Philosophers are not writing gigantic papers anymore because nobody is reading them, right? Maybe your peers are. But the common public is not reading philosophy papers
Admittedly, when I find things, quote, unquote, boring, maybe something else entirely and yet I've somehow framed it through the lens of philosophy. Because I think you're right, there is some of that happening in this thread. More reflection is required
Binati Sheth
@Binati_Sheth · 4:45
I've linked two YouTube channels for you, okay? One is ContraPoints. The other is Chadology. I've got so many more recommendations for you to check out. And like, like again, I would I always urge people to not dive his head first into content creators, which because it is so alluring to surround yourself with amazing ideas, but then when they come from one person in one go, you become a fan, right?
They're not seeking or understanding something. It was like, this is fill in the blank, and I don't want answers. I want the exploration. And then they've got some of the classics. But again, I'm sick of regurgitation and that kind of thing. I want something that will tickle my neurons
Mark Cox
@FreeVoice · 3:05
One of the other hard things that I find that people have is when looking at a particular philosophy or a world view that is different from their own, I have found that people have a very hard time evaluating a philosophy from within that philosophy. They very quickly evaluate it based on the philosophy that they already hold to the world views that they already hold to
So, for instance, the divine hiddenness one, to look at that from the perspective of if I were humans creating a religion or if I were the divinity, why would divine hiddenness be important? Right? Because that in itself tells me so much more about whoever created it, whatever the implications are, how it's going to affect humans, what is it that would be desired and why these steps would have been taken, et cetera
Mark Cox
@FreeVoice · 3:45
And I think that coming to the table with that curiosity going, well, maybe I don't know everything and maybe I could learn something, is exceptionally important and I think it's something that we really lack. So I love this kind of conversation. Whenever I hear people talking about things that they feel or they think or they view a certain way. I have a natural propensity to be the double advocate. Which means that I'm not strongly one way or another many times
To reintegrate the whole picture of whatever it is we're looking at because then we can come up with a more maybe ideal or better way forward. But also asking the question of is this really? Because we can't simply look at the novel and the cool shiny way forward. We have to look at how this could go wrong because only then can we make more thoughtful, intentional decisions
Mark Cox
@FreeVoice · 3:59
I would say that anytime you're making a different application of it than what had previously been made, I think that is an act of philosophy, an act of building on his philosophy, perhaps. But if you're more academic in the nature of here, learn these words, learn the cave theory from Plato, etc. And you're just going to have to write out what it is. I don't think that's the act of philosophy. That's the act of just accumulation of knowledge
Binati Sheth
@Binati_Sheth · 4:52
And it hurts us, and it makes us question things we waste time on something we shouldn't have wasted time on. And that is the power of that book. It reads you. It is not giving you any instructions. It is not telling you, do this, do that, do this, do that
And with respect to George Washington, I only learned that tidbit when I was going through the process of thinking about what it would be like if we didn't have political parties and then imagining, okay, well, how do we pick political candidates and how do we do this? There was so much, and it was a deep rabbit hole. But it was definitely entertaining to learn about different things through that process
So that guy but the way that you presented it, now I'm intrigued. Chand so thank you for that. And the other one, you know what? You're right. And this book I'm intrigued also by because exactly, I can say I don't care, and at times I don't care, but other times I say it but still care. And there's this weird you know, I think every human wants to be to feel seen or be a part of something
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